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Posted 16 July 2004 - 01:15 PM
I just can't seem to get this "Once or twice removed" in relationships. Is there an easy way to explain it?
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Posted 16 July 2004 - 02:17 PM
People with the same parents are siblings.
People with grandparents in common are cousins,
People with great grandparents in common are second cousins,
People with great great grandparents in common are third cousins,
-- and so it goes --
The child of your cousin of any degre, is your cousin of that degree, once removed.
The grand child of your cousin is your cousin twice removed.
--- The number of generations removed from the cousinship (?) ---
It seems like it would work the other way too, but it doesn't make sense.
The parent of your second cousin is not your second cousin once romoved because he/she would be one of your parent's first cousin, so you would be their first cousin once removed, and the relationship is mutual. If you are his first cousin once removed, he is your first cousin once removed.
So, it seems to be best to go down from the closest relationship in the family.
Did I type what I think I know? Or did I confuse the issue more than it already was?
People with grandparents in common are cousins,
People with great grandparents in common are second cousins,
People with great great grandparents in common are third cousins,
-- and so it goes --
The child of your cousin of any degre, is your cousin of that degree, once removed.
The grand child of your cousin is your cousin twice removed.
--- The number of generations removed from the cousinship (?) ---
It seems like it would work the other way too, but it doesn't make sense.
The parent of your second cousin is not your second cousin once romoved because he/she would be one of your parent's first cousin, so you would be their first cousin once removed, and the relationship is mutual. If you are his first cousin once removed, he is your first cousin once removed.
So, it seems to be best to go down from the closest relationship in the family.
Did I type what I think I know? Or did I confuse the issue more than it already was?
Alfred
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Posted 16 July 2004 - 03:45 PM
You will find various versions of Relationship Charts" at the following website. This way you can pick the one(s) that you find the easiest to use.
http://www.mdwsweb.c...lationship.html
http://www.mdwsweb.c...lationship.html
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Posted 16 July 2004 - 04:29 PM
Roots Magic can show you a very good graphical representation of the cousin relationship and where the times removed comes from. Just find some second or third or more cousins in your database that are once or twice or more removed and print out a relationship chart for them.
(The times removed indicates they are not in the same generation and tells how many generations they are apart.)
Wayne
(The times removed indicates they are not in the same generation and tells how many generations they are apart.)
Wayne
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Posted 16 July 2004 - 10:47 PM
As the other replys point out thr remove in a relationship is about the difference in the number of generations if the two people to the closest common ancestor. A easy way to show this follows:
John Smith(common ancestor)
Paul Smith B&S Mary Smith
Peter Smith 1st c. John Green
Chris Smith 2nd c. Bill Green
Mary Brown 3rd c. Sue Green
Mark Meyer
Jeff Meyer
There is one more generation in the line with Mark Meyer then in the line with Mary Brown so they are3rd c. once removed--Mark's son Jeff Meyer would be a 3rd c. twice removed to Mary Brown--also to read the chart the other way so to speakJohn Gree and Mary Brown are 1st c. twice removed.
Hope this might make it clear
John Smith(common ancestor)
Paul Smith B&S Mary Smith
Peter Smith 1st c. John Green
Chris Smith 2nd c. Bill Green
Mary Brown 3rd c. Sue Green
Mark Meyer
Jeff Meyer
There is one more generation in the line with Mark Meyer then in the line with Mary Brown so they are3rd c. once removed--Mark's son Jeff Meyer would be a 3rd c. twice removed to Mary Brown--also to read the chart the other way so to speakJohn Gree and Mary Brown are 1st c. twice removed.
Hope this might make it clear
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Posted 22 July 2004 - 08:21 AM
| QUOTE (Old Bob @ Jul 16 2004, 02:15 PM) |
| I just can't seem to get this "Once or twice removed" in relationships. Is there an easy way to explain it? |
Bob...
I have created a chart that might help you better understand who is "removed" and not. It is in PDF format so you should be able to read it just fine. Send me an email and I will send it to you.
Bruce et al...
Is there any way to attach the file to this post?
Dennis
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Posted 22 July 2004 - 11:16 AM
People with the same parents are siblings.
People with grandparents in common are cousins,
People with great grandparents in common are second cousins,
People with great great grandparents in common are third cousins,
-- and so it goes --
This may be slightly off-topic, but may be helpful, nevertheless.
I saw a tip in Ancestry's newsletter about figuring out what the cousin relationship is.
You find your common ancestor, and figure out what his relationship is to you.
Then you count the number of 'g's' in the relationship.
From the quote above, if your grandparents are the common ancestor, there is 1 'g' in the relationship name, so you are 1st cousins.
If the common ancestor is your great great grandparent, there are 3 'g's', so you are 3rd cousins.
Peggy
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