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greenecar

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In Topic: Merging/combining different family groups/lines

27 January 2011 - 03:06 PM

[quote name='Alfred' date='27 January 2011 - 01:17 PM' timestamp='1296152261' post='42192']
If someone is already in the database, as an individual or part of an extended tree, dragging them in from another tree will make a mess unless you drop them on themselves and check the box indicating that they are the same person.


Alfred:

"If someone is already in the database.......". I wish I had read those words, before I began this Drop-and-Drag horror story. I notice that the HELP section is silent on this issue.

Thanks for you comments and instructions.

Greenecar

In Topic: Merging/combining different family groups/lines

27 January 2011 - 02:55 PM

If someone is already in the database, as an individual or part of an extended tree, dragging them in from another tree will make a mess unless you drop them on themselves and check the box indicating that they are the same person.

If you have the whole group already in the database, DO NOT DRAG THEM IN AGAIN!
One drag and drop for any group is plenty. Then, only drag and drop a group which is not already in the database, whether linked or not.

If you have four cloned groups of anyone's tree, you have dragged and dropped them three times too many.

MERGING will make the four cloned copies of one tree into one copy, although there may be a few duplicate facts and some extra family linkages. (Merging is not perfect.)
Merging will not link two lines, like your maternal line and your paternal line unless the same person is already in both trees.

You started out with lines for several of your ancestors and several of your wife's ancestors and probably one for your descendants.
They should have dragged and dropped at most, one copy of each line into the new combined database.
Now, if your paternal grandfather's tree showed him married to your paternal grandmother AND your Paternal grandmother's line showed her married to your paternal grandfather then: Once those two trees were in the database, there would be two copies of the paternal grandparents. Those two copies of your grandfather should be merged AND, those two copies of your grandmother should be merged.

Was your father in either or both trees as their child? If not, drag his tree in and add him as the child of his parents. If he was already there, you will have to merge the multiples of him too.

That's enough for now, I am confusing myself.


In Topic: Getting the Most Out of RootsMagic

27 January 2011 - 11:36 AM

You might want to start using the F1 key, it will open the help file with context help on whatever you are trying to do.


Without understanding instances of where you find the RM unintuitive it's difficult for the programmers to understand how it might be improved and you seem reluctant to give specific examples. There have been many calls for more information to be available on one screen without having to dig into sub screens, would that be a help in your case?

The owners of a very intuitive program will have great success so your views are valuable if you care to share them.


Vyger:

"You might want to start using the F1 key". I hear that. I am all over that thing now.

The instances of where I find RM4 unintuitive are too numerous to mention in a single thread.

Please read my thread "Merging/combining different family groups/line". Pay close attention to the discussion about Drag-and-Drop. Now take a look at the HELP section dialogue about Drag-and-Drop (Drag-and-drop into a window? What window? Any window?) Obviously, the board participants expand greatly on the HELP section. The Help section is relatively silent on the process.

Please read my thread "Look at all those TREES". I cannot even find the area of the HELP section where trees are mentioned, certainly not with regard to how to delete/eliminate trees.

Thank you for your comments.

In Topic: Merging/combining different family groups/lines

27 January 2011 - 11:15 AM

Hope I'm interpreting you correctly, but think that you dragged-and-dropped a group of people from the other database to your main database that already had them in it. If true, try the Automatic Merge (Tools > Merge > Automatic Merges, ehecking the Automatic Merge box) in your main database.

In the end, you'll hope to see just one tree in your main database under Tools > Count Trees. If that's not the case, you'll need to find the person in the smaller tree(s) that's directly related to someone in the larger tree and link them. You can do so by right-clicking on that person and choosing Add > Spouse, Add > Parents, or Add > Child. Use the Sidebar Index to locate the relevant people.

The other option besides doing all this drag-and-dropping and/or merging is to use File > Import in a blank RM4 database if you have a complete and up-to-date database from your FTM (2006 and earlier) or PAF software. You'd mentioned that you'd used those two packages in the past, but I don't know if those were up-to-date.

This whole discussion may suggest the need for a merge/drag-and-drop webinar.


Romer:

I am reminded of the George Bernard Shaw quote, "England and America are two countries separated by a common language". I am starting to feel like there are two languages spoken on these boards, mine and everyone elses. It has to be my fault.

Please read my January 26, 01:50 P.M. response to TomH on this thread. As a result of my drag-and-drop activity, prior to my response to TomH, I had at least four clones of my Paternal Grandmother's tree lying in my Paternal Grandfather's tree, at the time (January 26, late P.M.) that I tried the drag-and-drop for the fifth time. Now I understand you to say that drag-and-drop will not work if people from the donor database already exist in the recipient database. Is that what you are saying?

I understand you to say that, now, if I perform an Automatic Merge on my Paternal Great Grandfather's/Main database, each of the cloned/redundant people will become a single person, and they will become linked properly to my Great Grandfather's tree, leaving just my Great Grandfather's tree in the database. Is that what you are saying?

The other option of merging files from FTM or PAF software is not a solution. Very little of my paper data was input to FTM or PAF. I held off, hoping to find a better software program. Like RM4????

In Topic: Merging/combining different family groups/lines

27 January 2011 - 01:20 AM

When you dropped onto the "Click to add mother" box, the dialog asks if you want to link the person (paternal grandmother) as the mother with a checkbox beside it. Check the box.

No, no, no. You just have not got it, yet. All you need to do is to link your father to the person who is your paternal grandmother as his mother. Either at the time of Drag'n'Drop as above, or after, if you missed that step. Read up Help > Index > Adding > parents.

TomH:

"You have just not got it, yet". Pure understatement, on your part. Why do you think I spend so much time on these boards?

"Read up Help>Index>Adding>Parents". I did that when I first began RM4. I get that part. I have been doing that throughout.

So, this evening, I pulled up one of my Paternal Grandfather's trees which did not have my Paternal Grandmother linked as his Spouse (my father's mother). I linked/added my Paternal Grandmother as my Paternal Grandfather's Spouse (my father's mother). Then I pulled up my Paternal Grandmother's tree. I dragged her fom her tree and dropped her onto herself on my Paternal Grandfather's tree.

Now I have another/fifth clone/copy of my Paternal Grandmother's tree which did not tie-in/link-up to my Paternal Grandfather's tree. NOTE: The file number of the Paternal Grandmother I dragged from her tree is not the same as the file number of the Paternal Grandmother that I dropped on. And, the file number of the Paternal Grandmother in the fifth clone is different from the other two. Is that normal?