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#1 zhangrau

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Posted 26 June 2009 - 02:04 PM

In RM 3.2.6 there are 19 options under Search | Search and replace

In RM 4.0.3.0 the 10 options for names, places, multimedia and notes are included, but the 9 options for SOURCES are no longer available

Sorry to say that I don't always catch my typos before I've duplicated a source citation across multiple facts and individuals - so I really miss these search and replace options !! sad.gif

#2 MikeZ

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 09:02 AM

I noted this "problem" during the public beta testing period, and since it wasn't (hasn't been) addressed in RM4x.x.x, it became one of several "deal breakers" for me... dry.gif

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 01:14 PM

QUOTE(MikeZ @ Jun 28 2009, 08:02 AM) View Post

... and since it wasn't (hasn't been) addressed in RM4x.x.x, it became one of several "deal breakers" for me...



Only several? I'd guess that there are still dozens of inferior, incomplete or missing deal breakers for me. But hey - as long as the cruise tickets are selling well, and new suckers are still snapping up copies of RM4 at Expos and Jamborees ........


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Posted 28 June 2009 - 01:51 PM

I was trying to tone down my rhetoric as I seem to be in the minority on this forum regarding RM4's problems.

I simply refuse to "upgrade" when I know full well that doing so will require me to reconfigure all of my RM3 facts & sources; then only to suffer through more problems like those already mentioned in this forum related to reports, text, GEDCOMs, etc. With RM3 these issues do not exist (at least for me)...

FWIW, I have an unanswered RM4 ticket (from March) that involves RM4 source fields not merging properly - test data was lost.


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#5 Laurie Nelson

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE(MikeZ @ Jun 28 2009, 01:51 PM) View Post

I was trying to tone down my rhetoric as I seem to be in the minority on this forum regarding RM4's problems.

I simply refuse to "upgrade" when I know full well that doing so will require me to reconfigure all of my RM3 facts & sources; then only to suffer through more problems like those already mentioned in this forum related to reports, text, GEDCOMs, etc. With RM3 these issues do not exist (at least for me)...

FWIW, I have an unanswered RM4 ticket (from March) that involves RM4 source fields not merging properly - test data was lost.

Mike, if you've read any of my posts in the forums and the mail list, you know I'm with you on this. I regret upgrading to RM4 and then having to GEDCOM back to RM3 because I had added and updated so much information. IMHO RM4 was released too soon--trying to get ahead of the competition, I suppose. I started with FO5 and have always been happy with the way Bruce listens to his users. So I'm doubly disappointed that he released this too soon, with bugs that were reported during Beta testing. This is the first time I've upgraded to a new version without waiting a few months for bugs and other issues to be worked out. At this point I don't know if I'll ever go back to RM4. To me, it has too many bells and whistles, as well as bugs. It should be easier to use--not harder. unsure.gif

As for being in the minority, that's the way I've felt a lot of the time. Some people don't like me stating my objections, maybe because they haven't experienced the same problems or they don't mind spending a lot of extra time inputting data. But others have written me off-list to tell me how disappointed they are with RM4. They just don't post their disappointments. sad.gif
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Posted 28 June 2009 - 06:55 PM

QUOTE(Laurie Nelson @ Jun 28 2009, 10:34 PM) View Post

As for being in the minority, that's the way I've felt a lot of the time. Some people don't like me stating my objections, maybe because they haven't experienced the same problems or they don't mind spending a lot of extra time inputting data. But others have written me off-list to tell me how disappointed they are with RM4. They just don't post their disappointments. sad.gif


RM4 is not as complete as I would like to see it but I do find it a big advance on RM3. I trust that the problems and omissions will be sorted out in the near future and have therefore switched completely to RM4.

I can understand some users sticking with RM3 for certain needs, as I did for a while, but I believe the additional features of RM4 need to be embraced as the future sooner or later. Bruce & team are not likely to reverse on the current standard but instead will build on it to make it even more useful.

I am busy making my data make the best use of the new features of RM4 in the belief that all niggles and bugs will be sorted in the future, I just can't see how they won't be.


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#7 MikeZ

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 08:22 PM

Embracing something new is a fine concept. Except when that acceptance involves an excessive amount of clean-up and reconstruction work, which is what I would have to look forward to should I "embrace" RM4.

I don't expect anyone to cater to my needs, but I maintain that RM4 tried to do too much, too soon, with little regard for those who've molded RM3 to suit their needs based on its capabilities. I also believe the myriad of existing RM4 problems issues far exceeds the euphemistic characterizations used in many existing RM4 forum topics.

I guess I must respectfully disagree that RM4's new look, feel, and capabilities outweigh its current flaws -YMMV...

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#8 Vyger

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 12:24 PM

QUOTE(MikeZ @ Jun 29 2009, 03:22 AM) View Post

Embracing something new is a fine concept. Except when that acceptance involves an excessive amount of clean-up and reconstruction work, which is what I would have to look forward to should I "embrace" RM4.


I do understand what you mean and RM3 is a fine piece of work which I believe covers most needs. I still use Win XP as do many other users simply as there was no real reason for me to switch to Vista.

I personally like the new features and so embarked on quite a bit of conversion work, that was my choice and I can tell you I did not make it on day #1 of the release.

We all know that RM4 was a complete re-write so it will take some time for all the little niggles to be ironed out but I believe that will happen and RM4 will become a new standard in genealogy software.

When we reach version 4.1 or 4.2 and and is a well rounded product then there may still not be reason enough for some users to upgrade, that is personal choice after all.

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#9 alderon

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Posted 30 June 2009 - 01:29 PM

Vyger, I completely agree with you. I bought v4 to support Bruce and team so that they CAN continue on. (I have used all versions of RM, and Family Origins before that.)
My primary database is still in v3; but I use v4 quite often now, and have not had any major issues. I trust that (almost) everyone will be happy with v4 before too long...
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QUOTE(Vyger @ Jun 29 2009, 02:24 PM) View Post

I do understand what you mean and RM3 is a fine piece of work which I believe covers most needs. I still use Win XP as do many other users simply as there was no real reason for me to switch to Vista.

I personally like the new features and so embarked on quite a bit of conversion work, that was my choice and I can tell you I did not make it on day #1 of the release.

We all know that RM4 was a complete re-write so it will take some time for all the little niggles to be ironed out but I believe that will happen and RM4 will become a new standard in genealogy software.

When we reach version 4.1 or 4.2 and and is a well rounded product then there may still not be reason enough for some users to upgrade, that is personal choice after all.



#10 zhangrau

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 12:59 AM

In RM 3.2.6 there are 19 options under Search | Search and replace

In RM 4.0.3.0 the 10 options for names, places, multimedia and notes are included, but the 9 options for SOURCES are no longer available

Sorry to say that I don't always catch my typos before I've duplicated a source citation across multiple facts and individuals - so I really miss these search and replace options !! <img src="http://www.rootsmagi..._DIR#>/sad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=" :( " border="0" alt="sad.gif" />


26 Aug 2009
RM 4.0.5.0 is still missing these search and replace options. :(

01 Jan 2011
RM 4.0.9.7 is still missing these search and replace options. :(

#11 JeffH13

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 06:59 AM

I'd like to see search & replace for source fields as well. I wanted to correct my abbreviation for "enunmeration district" in the Source Details.

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#12 BillW

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Posted 26 August 2009 - 09:52 AM

I think I have given RM4 a good work-out but there are too many issues that need to be resolved before it will be my program of choice. When I created a GEDCOM in RM4 and imported it into RM 3.2.6 and found that just because I did not have the "Living" flag set RM4 arbitrarily created a death fact with no other info included that was the final blow that told me to give it up and stay with RM 3.2.6 and try to delete those death facts whenever I found them. It sure makes me look like a fool when I create a report for a family member or web-site and there is an entry that simply states "Joe Smith died".

#13 Romer

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Posted 27 August 2009 - 05:56 AM

You might want to check to see if RM 4.0.5.0 corrected this GEDCOM death fact problem. The Fixed/Changed list seemed to indicate that dragging and dropping no longer creates a blank death fact for individuals who didn't have their Living flag checked. Since drag-and-drop effectively uses a GEDCOM transfer, the fix may've resolved the death fact problem.