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#1 GentleGeek

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Posted 12 February 2008 - 10:01 AM

Suggested/Desired new report design:
"Folded" Descendant Report and Hourglass Report

This report design works very well to reduce the overall size of the final report.

To make this report, "fold" some generations of descendants under parents so that the report doesn't become too wide. In other words, the top portion of the report would be wide as a normal descendant report or hourglass would be. But instead of having each generation just increase the width of the report until it got unwieldy, the last generation or two or three would be vertical underneath the parents of some intermediate generation, and then would act like a Descendant Report that was entirely side-to side.

To take the "automation" of this report one step further, RootsMagic could calculate the resulting size of the report based on different folding point (i.e. at which generation the fold starts). Then, for example, the user could be given the choice of a report 12"x90" (no fold) or 24"x48" (folded at gen 2) or 36"x36" (folded at gen 3).

I created a report like this using a multi-step process- first, RootsMagic to create various "components" and saved each as PNG, and then reassembled in PowerPoint (though I could have reassembled in PhotoShop). Below is a simplified mockup in ASCII which looks best in a fixed-pitch font (dots inserted to maintain spacing- you can replace with blanks and look at in a text editor to see it better).

.........[_]-[_]...[_]-[_]...[_]-[_]...[_]-[_]
............|.........|.........|.........|
...........[_]-------[_].......[_]-------[_]
.................|...................|
................[_]--------|--------[_]
...........................|
.-----------------------------------------------------
.|............|............|............|............|
[_]-[_]......[_]-[_]......[_]-[_]......[_]-[_]......[_]-[_]
|............|............|............|............|
|-[_]-|-[_]..|-[_]-|-[_]..|-[_]---[_]..|-[_]-|-[_]..|-[_]-|-[_]
|.[_].|-[_]..|.[_].|-[_]....[_]..........[_].|-[_]..|.[_].|-[_]
|.....|-[_]..|.....|-[_].....................|-[_]..|.....|-[_]
|............|.....|-[_]............................|.....|-[_]
|-[_]-|-[_]..|......................................|-[_]
..[_].|-[_]..|-[_]-|-[_]............................|
.............|.[_].|-[_]............................|-[_]

I hope you like the idea, and hope you can do it in a near-term release.
Thanks.
GG

#2 GentleGeek

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 11:05 PM

Anyone have any comments?

Note that the mockup report design does not look very good here, you have to cut and paste it into a text editor and change to a fixed-pitch font like Courier. If you want to, you should also replace all of the periods with spaces.

GG

#3 Athena

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 10:41 AM

I'm very impressed with the reort designer in RM.

I too would like some way to compress large families though. I was thinking that it would be nice we could mark a family (or generation) for "vertical"/ "compressed" display within a chart. For example, I have a line with 11 children. Most of those children had 4 or 5 children; one had 13. I would prefer to have the children's tree's listed vertically with the larger family compressed to be listed on both sides of a line. That would generate a much more manageable chart.

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 10:50 AM

There is no doubt that the charting available in Rootsmagic could be considerably improved. The current need, when it doesn't fit, to manually adjust spacing or move members and so on is a little bit "steam age". At the very least we need 'size to fit' options. We also need options to remember who we want in the chart - the selection of number of generations is too simplistic.

I would like to see the ability to select specific individuals; groups of individuals or families and, most importantly, to save these selections so that after I have updated data for any of these people I could easily rerun the report without going through the whole selection criteria again.



#5 GentleGeek

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 05:59 PM

I wanted to find a better way to represent the report.

But, I can't get it to show properly in this forum...
Sorry...

But, it's a great report design nevetheless!!

GG

#6 kbens0n

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Posted 25 February 2008 - 10:19 PM

I ~believe~ this is what GentleGeek was "shooting for":
CODE
           [_]-[_]   [_]-[_]   [_]-[_]   [_]-[_]
              |         |         |         |
             [_]-------[_]       [_]-------[_]
                   |                   |
                  [_]--------|--------[_]
                             |
   -----------------------------------------------------
   |            |            |            |            |
[_]-[_]      [_]-[_]      [_]-[_]      [_]-[_]      [_]-[_]
   |            |            |            |            |
   |-[_]-|-[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]  |-[_]---[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]
   | [_] |-[_]  | [_] |-[_]    [_]          [_] |-[_]  | [_] |-[_]
   |     |-[_]  |     |-[_]                     |-[_]  |     |-[_]
   |            |     |-[_]                            |     |-[_]
   |-[_]-|-[_]  |                                      |-[_]
     [_] |-[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]                            |
                | [_] |-[_]                            |-[_]


or ~maybe~ this (slightly more compact):

CODE
           [_]-[_]   [_]-[_]   [_]-[_]   [_]-[_]
              |         |         |         |
             [_]-------[_]       [_]-------[_]
                   |                   |
                  [_]--------|--------[_]
                             |
   -----------------------------------------------------
   |            |            |            |            |
[_]-[_]      [_]-[_]      [_]-[_]      [_]-[_]      [_]-[_]
|            |            |            |            |
|-[_]-|-[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]  |-[_]---[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]
| [_] |-[_]  | [_] |-[_]    [_]          [_] |-[_]  | [_] |-[_]
|     |-[_]  |     |-[_]                     |-[_]  |     |-[_]
|            |     |-[_]                            |     |-[_]
|-[_]-|-[_]  |                                      |-[_]
  [_] |-[_]  |-[_]-|-[_]                            |
             | [_] |-[_]                            |-[_]


NOTE: used (ALT+keypad255) for the blank spaces, then highlighted ALL characters and marked as CODE (to preserve the formatting)

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--- "GENEALOGY, n. An account of one's descent from an ancestor who did not particularly care to trace his own." - Ambrose Bierce
--- "The trouble ain't what people don't know, it's what they know that ain't so." - Josh Billings
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#7 GentleGeek

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Posted 26 February 2008 - 10:27 AM

Thanks kbens!!

Thats it exactly!!
As you can see, the generations go down from the top, with all members of each generation at the same level. But at a certain level (user specified), the succeeding generations are "folded", or turned 90 degrees, and then go horizontally.

GentleGeek

PS I am saving your tip for future use if needed:
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1. (ALT+keypad255) for spaces
2. mark as CODE (to preserve the formatting)


#8 GentleGeek

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Posted 18 January 2010 - 06:42 PM

I'd like to bring this suggestion back to the top of the wish list.

Bruce, have you looked at this idea at all?

Thanks,
Dennis