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#1 Robert-Leigh:Pritchett

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Posted 12 August 2020 - 09:11 PM

"It's dead, Jim", said Bones to Captain Kirk

 

We need RM8 Stat!



#2 Renee Zamora

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 12:36 PM

RootsMagic never supports the beta version of an operating system. You upgrade to a beta version at your own risk. Codeweavers will give us a new wrapper for RM7 if needed for Big Sur. It's way to early for them to determine that now. Beta versions are to much of a moving target to program against. Needs to be much more stable first.


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Posted 05 September 2020 - 07:04 PM

I know that some Crossover 19 users have reported many apps working on the latest Big Sur betas. I can see that Rootsmagic doesn't start up on Big Sur.

 

I'm curious whether RM8 for Mac is expected in 2020? I understand the reluctance to publicize expected release dates.

At the same time, informed customers have the chance to make better decisions when they are considering different hardware and OS investments.

 

Does anyone have any vague understanding of likely timing for RM8 on Windows or OSX?

 

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#4 Renee Zamora

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Posted 08 September 2020 - 05:44 PM

I couldn't say when RM8 will be released. Just rest assured that if a new CrossOver wrapper is needed for Big Sur Codeweaver will make us one. With RM8 we will make sure it works with Big Sur. 


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#5 RlynnChickadee

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 12:58 AM

Being forewarned of this would have stopped me from downloading Big Sur. I thought we were usually warned bout this. We waited months for the last wrapper and even then I haven't found it to be that great! I am seriously considering a different software since this is becoming a huge nuisance. I can't do what I need to do without the software to put it into. Roots Magic is quickly on it's way to my do not use list, which is growing weekly these days. I guess technology just isn't what it used to me.



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Posted 13 November 2020 - 05:55 AM

Being forewarned of this would have stopped me from downloading Big Sur. I thought we were usually warned bout this. We waited months for the last wrapper and even then I haven't found it to be that great! I am seriously considering a different software since this is becoming a huge nuisance. I can't do what I need to do without the software to put it into. Roots Magic is quickly on it's way to my do not use list, which is growing weekly these days. I guess technology just isn't what it used to me.

Given that there was a long wait last time, I am a little surprised that you didn’t draw the obvious conclusion.

 

CrossOver 20.0.0 (available 13 October) is required for Big Sur, but given that it is pretty new and exposes a few new rough edges when I use it with RM7 on Catalina, then a wait of some duration before there is a wrapper for RM7 seems not unreasonable to me.

 

(The rough edges I have observed and reported seem to have been fixed, but I am staying away from my iMac at the moment, so haven’t yet had a chance to try the very latest version 20.0.2, available 11 November, though my fix seems to be in 20.0.1, available 10 November. So, changing rapidly at the moment, and maybe not yet stable enough for the wrapper.)



#7 RlynnChickadee

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 11:24 AM

Given that there was a long wait last time, I am a little surprised that you didn’t draw the obvious conclusion.

 

CrossOver 20.0.0 (available 13 October) is required for Big Sur, but given that it is pretty new and exposes a few new rough edges when I use it with RM7 on Catalina, then a wait of some duration before there is a wrapper for RM7 seems not unreasonable to me.

 

(The rough edges I have observed and reported seem to have been fixed, but I am staying away from my iMac at the moment, so haven’t yet had a chance to try the very latest version 20.0.2, available 11 November, though my fix seems to be in 20.0.1, available 10 November. So, changing rapidly at the moment, and maybe not yet stable enough for the wrapper.)

I thought the wrapper was to cover the jump from 32 to 64, I didn't know that it wouldn't cover anything coming afterwards. I haven't even found the wrapper to be all that good. I have run into too many issues to see the efficiency of this software. I need something that I know I can trust and don't have to fight with.



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Posted 13 November 2020 - 12:00 PM

I thought the wrapper was to cover the jump from 32 to 64, I didn't know that it wouldn't cover anything coming afterwards. I haven't even found the wrapper to be all that good. I have run into too many issues to see the efficiency of this software. I need something that I know I can trust and don't have to fight with.

if you prefer RM, you could always pay for the full version of Crossover, which I have found very reliable and usable through various versions of MacOS up to Catalina, with very heavy use of the Family Search interface. RM stays up for days and just resumes with no problem when I wake the Mac from sleep. Though note that I have NOT YET tried in on Big Sur (and have no intention of doing so until until one or two updates have been released). I can’t vouch for it on Big Sur, but it has been tested on it, users of various Windows programs do seem to be using it OK, and a few initial bugs do seem to be being cleared fairly quickly.



#9 Renee Zamora

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 01:51 PM

Crossover is finishing up a new wrapper for RM7 that works on Big Sur. We will release it as soon as possible.


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#10 RlynnChickadee

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Posted 13 November 2020 - 07:34 PM

if you prefer RM, you could always pay for the full version of Crossover, which I have found very reliable and usable through various versions of MacOS up to Catalina, with very heavy use of the Family Search interface. RM stays up for days and just resumes with no problem when I wake the Mac from sleep. Though note that I have NOT YET tried in on Big Sur (and have no intention of doing so until until one or two updates have been released). I can’t vouch for it on Big Sur, but it has been tested on it, users of various Windows programs do seem to be using it OK, and a few initial bugs do seem to be being cleared fairly quickly.

Tried the CrossOver with Big Sur and it is basically useless. Keeps freezing up. I guess I am stuck with waiting or purchasing something like FTM, haven't found anything else even close, or find a different past time. If I do, I will likely never return to genealogy. Waiting for the RM-crossover will probably take until at least March, and I am not expecting anything of RM8 any time soon, 2025? My computer engineer nephew could do better and he knows nothing about genealogy. Sorry for being a skeptic, but patience is not one of my virtues.



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Posted 14 November 2020 - 05:35 AM

Big Sur!  Personally I won't be rushing to run this Windows 8 Clone (Tablet Operating System with no Touch Screen) on my Macs any time soon.


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Posted 19 November 2020 - 01:29 AM

Crossover is finishing up a new wrapper for RM7 that works on Big Sur. We will release it as soon as possible.

CrossOver has just announced that they have successfully run a number of Windows applications on an Apple Silicon Mac using the current CrossOver 20.0.2 and a beta of Big Sur 11.1.0, so it would seem that when the new RM7 for Mac wrapper is available, it is likely - BUT NOT PROVEN - to work on one of the new fancy and very fast Macs. I hope RM will be asking them to confirm that this will be / is true.

 

See https://www.codeweav...officially-cool



#13 Renee Zamora

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Posted 19 November 2020 - 09:25 AM

It is my understanding that this is what the new CrossOver wrapper is suppose to do. Help our users run RM7 regardless if they have an Intel chip or the new ARM one. 


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#14 RlynnChickadee

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Posted 30 November 2020 - 12:08 AM

Decided to give Parallels a test drive. Looks like a better alternative to the wrapper. Even though you do have to download the PC version of RM7. 15 day trial should give a fairly good feel for it, but getting used to working with Windows again it a little strange. However, I do find that screen to be brighter and clearer.



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Posted 30 November 2020 - 05:46 PM

Decided to give Parallels a test drive. Looks like a better alternative to the wrapper. Even though you do have to download the PC version of RM7. 15 day trial should give a fairly good feel for it, but getting used to working with Windows again it a little strange. However, I do find that screen to be brighter and clearer.

Your mistake was to install big sur now. It will be months and 2 bug fix updates before this major Intel..M1 version will be stable. This is always the case for new mac OS versions. My understanding is that virtualization software currently does not work on M1 macs. 



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Posted 01 December 2020 - 08:11 PM

Your mistake was to install big sur now. It will be months and 2 bug fix updates before this major Intel..M1 version will be stable. This is always the case for new mac OS versions. My understanding is that virtualization software currently does not work on M1 macs. 

Perhaps it was a mistake but one that has been done. Parallels as I am experiencing is working far better than the CrossOver wrapper that I experienced with Catalina, it didn't really work any better than before upgrading to Catalina. I have run into none of the issues that I had before getting Parallels. Your input is only as good as the system you are working on, and when your system is freezing up every 3 or 4 entries, than it is not a very good system. I like Mac and I like RootsMagic, but right now they are not working very well together and the wrapper is more of a hindrance than a help. If RootsMagic8 proves to be not as good as it is supposed to be, I will probably end up buying Parallels. There is still one feature that is missing from all genealogy programs and it really such a small thing. However, it would appear from something a support worker told me, not going to get a fix. That is my biggest disappointment.



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Posted 01 December 2020 - 10:00 PM

There is still one feature that is missing from all genealogy programs and it really such a small thing. 

 

I have to admit to some curiosity about your one critical feature that is missing from all genealogy software.

 

Jerry



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Posted 01 December 2020 - 10:09 PM

 

I have to admit to some curiosity about your one critical feature that is missing from all genealogy software.

 

Jerry

In Search and Replace. Being able to change the month in the date field. I have a great deal of French, that gets transferred in from FamilySearch. So, I need to change the months from French to English in order for it to sort properly. It can be very time consuming, having to go through every name to change it. If I could go into search and replace change janvier to January, etc would be so quick and easy. I have also had a couple of Spanish, and I am sure others would have to go through the same hassles if there are a lot of entries in another language. There is nothing like having to manually change dates for several hundred entries.



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Posted 09 December 2020 - 09:38 PM

This happened to me a few months ago when I upgraded my Mac OS to Catalina. It forced me to suspend my genealogy compiling for a few months.

 

In Search and Replace. Being able to change the month in the date field. I have a great deal of French, that gets transferred in from FamilySearch. So, I need to change the months from French to English in order for it to sort properly. It can be very time consuming, having to go through every name to change it. If I could go into search and replace change janvier to January, etc would be so quick and easy. I have also had a couple of Spanish, and I am sure others would have to go through the same hassles if there are a lot of entries in another language. There is nothing like having to manually change dates for several hundred entries.

Be careful because Avril is sometimes used as a girl's name. 



#20 RlynnChickadee

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Posted 12 December 2020 - 11:08 PM

This happened to me a few months ago when I upgraded my Mac OS to Catalina. It forced me to suspend my genealogy compiling for a few months.

 

Be careful because Avril is sometimes used as a girl's name. 

And Janvier for a male name, however, if there was a DATE Field in the Search and Replace, you wouldn't be change names in the Names Field.  Date field/ Name field 2 different fields don't interconnect.