I have some questions about formatting my output.
Question 1: I have been experimenting with trying to get the format that I want modifying or creating new facts and sentence structures and have succeeded but I am using a carriage return (hit the enter key) in the sentence structure itself to get the new line. Then to get indenting I am placing spaces in the sentence structure to get the indents. I have also added symbol to the sentence structure to get bullet points. None of this is (at lest not that I could find) in the RM help. If It is not documented this could be changed or over ridden by say version 8 and then I would need to start over again. Is there any documentation, books, help files that expound on what I am attempting to do? Best RM practices, RM for dummies etc.
The sentence from a fictitious test project:
[Person] appeared < in the [date:YEAR] census> as head of household <[Person:Age]>< [PlaceDetails]>< [Place]>< with wife [Wife]>< with husband [Husband]><?[OtherPersons]| and other household members:| and no additional household members>
<#Son# • Son | • Sons >[Son][Son:Age]<#Daughter#
• Daughter |
• Daughters >[Daughter]<#Father#
• Father |
• Fathers >[Father]<#Mother#
• Mother |
• Grandson |
• Grandsons >[Grandson]<#Granddaughter#
• Granddaughter |
• Granddaughter >[Granddaughter]<#Grandfather#
• Grandfather |
• Grandfather >[Grandfather]<#Grandmother#
• Grandmother |
• Grandmothers >[Grandmother]<#Son-in-law#
• Son-in-law |
• Sons-in-law >[Son-in-law]<#Daughter-in-law#
• Daughter-in-law |
• Daughters-in-law >[Daughter-in-law]<#Mother-in-law#
• Mother-in-law |
• Mothers-in-law >[Mother-in-law]<#Father-in-law#
• Father-in-law |
• Fathers-in-law >[Father-in-law]<#Witness#
• Witness |
• Witnesss >[Witness]
This produces this:
1. Henrietta Goodwin was born on 1 Jan 1820. She was the wife of John Smith as listed in the 1850 census in Marlborough, Connecticut at the age of 30. She appeared in the 1860 census at the age of 40 as head of household at 50 Main St. in Kalamazoo, Michigan with husband John Smith and other household members:
• Sons Peter Smith and Joshua Smith
• Daughter Phoebe Smith
• Grandson John Smith
• Granddaughter Judy Smith
• Daughter-in-law MarAnne Wilson
Question 2: I wanted to use age for a person and it works fine for [Person] [ThisPerson] etc. Can this also apply to a role, such as [Son:Age]? I have tried it but my attempts do not seem to work.
Posted 14 June 2020 - 11:48 AM
I have some questions about formatting my output.
Posted 15 June 2020 - 07:05 AM
The :age modifier only works with the subject person, as indicated (maybe not strongly enough( in Help.
Posted 15 June 2020 - 08:23 AM
- For the head of household, I include a transcription of the entire census entry for the entire household.
- For each household member, I include two lines of data. The first line identifies the head of household and the relationship of the person to the head of the household. The second line includes the transcription of the line for the person.
Posted 15 June 2020 - 12:51 PM
I have five genealogical programs. All five allow customizing sentences and sharing facts. It doesn't appear that any product doesn't see the use of both features but I'm aware of the problems associated with exchanging data between program and shared facts. I think at this time unless some program has made an attempt at exchanging data that I will probably abandon the idea of sharing data between software programs with one exception. I have found that FamilyHistorian has several charts that I can use and they produce output that I can take to my local printer. RM doesn't have the chart that I want and the resolution of the RM output is not satisfactory to take to a local printer
Since I was using TMG from 1993 until late 2014 I got used to the power of their ability to format output. All my examples are from a test project to see if I could do better.
I tried incorporating the data into notes but there is a distinct lack of ability to format the notes in a fact and I was hoping to improve on that. Based on what Jerry has said and his examples it appears that he would agree that there is a lack of ability to format the note field.
Jerry your example is more what I hoped to achieve. The bullet points in my example were actually symbols copied from MS Word and pasted into the sentence structure. Is there any inherent danger in doing something like this to better format your output Jerry?
Posted 15 June 2020 - 02:26 PM
I'll attempt an answer to your question to Jerry. RM supports UTF-8 encoding in its GEDCOM so characters that conform to UTF8 should survive a RM drag'n'drop and export The recipient system needs to also support UTF8. You would have to test your destinations to confirm that your intended result survives.
Within RM, there is the question of what the Note Editor supports. Copying some examples from the Windows Character Map app shows that many do not display in the Note Editor as they appear in the Character Map. But the Symbols font and Lucinda Sans Unicode have bullet symbols and some geometrical shapes that do.
Posted 15 June 2020 - 02:48 PM
Further trying to answer your question, Tom already mentioned that a third party genealogy software would have to accept UTF-8 encoding to keep intact your RM data. At least one major RM competitor does not. In addition, you would have to try out things like saving RM's reports as PDF files and/or RTF files to see how the bullet characters show up. I haven't tried. They may or may not show up just fine, and it may depend on what PDF editor or RTF editor you are using.
Since I'm posting again, I'll add to my original message that my approach is certainly a compromise and is not without issues of its own. The most frustrating issue to me is that individuals mentioned in notes do not appear in the indexes that can be produced in RM's narrative reports. Individuals that appear in your reports as a result of role sentences do appear in the same indexes. So in the limited way that I do use RM's shared roles to improve the appearance of my reports, I also get those improvements indexed for free. I realize that I can manually add the XE entries to the RM notes by editing the RTF file after it is produced by RM to get individuals indexed. But up until now that has seemed more time and trouble than it is worth.
Posted 15 June 2020 - 03:38 PM
thank you both for your help.
I guess I will need to do more creating and testing to see if any characters I create are UTF8 and if any recipient system supports that.
Having created a lot in TMG and then having to redo a lot of that I wanted to test and avoid any bad situations first. I still run across some artifacts from my TMG days.
I will continue to experiment but I will probably hold off updating my major project until version 8 is out. (This year?)
Again thanks to both of you.
Posted 16 June 2020 - 07:40 AM
The Windows Notepad program allows on to change the ccding of text files by loading a text file and saving it right back out with different coding. Just to the left of the "save" button is an encoding button which offers UTF8, ANSI, UTF-16 LE & BE, and UTF-8 with BOM. To get to the encoding button you probably have to start with File/Save As.
IIRC, when I converted from TMG I had to alter the TMG GEDCOM to UTF-8 to get RootsMagic6 to accept it. I may have that backwards, but Notepad's conversion facility can be useful
Posted 16 June 2020 - 10:02 AM
Thank you for that hint about notepad. I have also tried the character map application under windows 10 and I can create symbols that conform to UTF8 and so far seem to work in RM and survives the trip via GEDCOM. (No guarantees that this will continue to work but at least it is tempting.) With new symbols, if they survive transfers, may allow me to better format my output, particularly if I use notes like Jerry does.
I guess next step is to create whatever I think is necessary under my test project and then see if all the transfers are working. Then I would need to check with various programs to see if there are any potential problems.