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#1 scrollsawman

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 06:20 AM

I have a person who was created by an affair by their mother who was married at the time of the affair. The person was still raised by the bio mother and her husband. I know who the bio father was. What is the best way to show this person in my family group sheets? The bio father is the link into my linage. 



#2 JimDavis79

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 10:39 AM

Scrollsawman, RM provides a way to characterize parentage.  In the "Edit Person" window, click on the Parents line.  You will see in the right hand pane drop-down lists for "Relationship to father" and "Relationship to mother."  The choices for the drop-down are: Birth, Adopted, Step, Foster, Related, Guardian, Sealed and Unknown.  Set up multiple parental relationships to display both the biological line and the social family line.

 

Example:  one person in my family has known biological parents.  However, this person was raised by the aunt of the man who had an affair with the biological mother.  After the affair, the biological father took one child to raise and the aunt raised two others.  No formal adoptions.  The biological parents divorced and each remarried.

 

hope this helps!

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#3 scrollsawman

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 11:41 AM

Hi Jim, thanks for your response and direction. I will check it out shortly and go the way that works best.



#4 scrollsawman

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 11:52 AM

Jim, I just looked at the drop-down you spoke of. I don't think any of those options really fit this case. It would be helpful if I could add an option "affair" to the list. I am sure there are many others out there that fall into this catagory. Maybe the programmers could add this selection to the list????



#5 Jerry Bryan

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 03:22 PM

Jim, I just looked at the drop-down you spoke of. I don't think any of those options really fit this case. It would be helpful if I could add an option "affair" to the list. I am sure there are many others out there that fall into this catagory. Maybe the programmers could add this selection to the list????

 

In truth, the actual list doesn't matter much in RM7. The list might or might not matter in future versions of RM. Which is to say, RM7 doesn't do anything with the information you enter. If you wish information about the parentage to appear in RM reports, you need supplement the parentage information RM does offer with notes of some kind or other. My comment applies equally to affairs, adoptions, step children, foster children, guardians, related individuals such as grandparents or aunts and uncles who raise children,  etc.

 

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#6 Rick Landrum

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 03:31 PM

 

In truth, the actual list doesn't matter much in RM7. The list might or might not matter in future versions of RM. Which is to say, RM7 doesn't do anything with the information you enter. If you wish information about the parentage to appear in RM reports, you need supplement the parentage information RM does offer with notes of some kind or other. My comment applies equally to affairs, adoptions, step children, foster children, guardians, related individuals such as grandparents or aunts and uncles who raise children,  etc.

 

Jerry

I tend to agree with Jerry. I really doesn't matter so long as you supplement the  choice with supporting notes. I have always looked at the parentage options separately from the marriage options ( especially in cases of adoption, guardianship, etc). The 'father is the father" regardless of the marriage record. 

Rick


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#7 scrollsawman

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 06:03 AM

Thanks guys for your inputs and advice. I think I will just make the affair and offspring a part of the notes of the offspring and two bio parents.



#8 scrollsawman

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:47 PM

OK folks, I now have an additional problem that gees along with my above posts. The person that was conceived by the affair ended up living with the bio mother and her husband that she was married to at the time of the affair. The person conceived has two half sisters from this marriage. I want to show this family (Husband, wife, person conceived, and half siblings in a family and attach the family to the bio father who is part of my direct linage. Is there a way to do this? In simple form, I want to show the two families linked to the bio father.



#9 Jerry Bryan

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 02:43 PM

Suppose just to explain how this works in RM that you only link people with their biological parents and suppose one man has children with more than one woman or one woman has children with more than one man. For this purposes of this example, it makes no difference whether the biological parents of any particular child were married to each other or not. Under the circumstances I just described, RM's narrative reports and Family Group Sheets will have a family for each man/woman pair who had biological children together and and the children will be listed only in one family. Half brothers and half sisters will not be listed in the same family.

 

So if you want half brothers and half sisters to be listed in the same family, you will have to give such children multiple sets of parents, a biological set of parents and another set of parents. Such children with multiple sets of parents will be listed multiple times in narrative reports, once for each set of parents. Well, it can be more complicated than that for descendant narrative reports in that one or more families of interest may not be listed at all. For example, both my grandfathers became widowers as very young men, they both had very young children at the time, they both remarried later, and they both had additional children with their second wife. So descendant narrative reports that come down through my grandfathers have all their children, although the half brothers and half sisters are listed in different families, either with my grandfather and his first wife or with my grandfather and his second wife. But descendant reports that come down through my grandmothers only lists their children and not the children of my grandfather's other wife. The only way to get all the half brothers and sisters into the same family is to give them multiple sets of my parents, namely both in the family of my grandfather and his first wife and in the family of my grandfather and his second wife.

 

This concept applies all the same whether the parents of a child are biological, adoptive, foster, "raised by", or whatever. The concept does not require actual marriages for any of the parents for the parent/child relationships to be entered.

 

Jerry

 



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Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:23 PM

Jerry, email me at funtimefilms2@gmail.com. I will send you a diagram of exactly what I am trying to do. It may not be possible, dunno.