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#101 History Hunter

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 08:37 AM

I'll give the <esc> key a try next time. Thank you.

The issue seems to be that modal windows were not used correctly. The design concept of a modal window was for interactions that must be completed before doing anything else. That means they need to be, and are in good practice, coded such the they are always on top and cannot be hidden. The RM7 program seems to have missed this.

 

You'll notice that good Mac programs tend to use very few modal windows and then generally only for critical interactions.



#102 Robert-Leigh:Pritchett

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 09:13 PM

I'm still willing and able to beta test RM8 for the Mac.



#103 Malcolm Perrins

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 10:46 PM

Will Apple moving from Intel to ARM chips in their Macs cause concern to RM v8?



#104 Rooty

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 07:18 AM

It may be optimistic to assume that there is a beta RM8 to test!

 

Don't worry about ARM macs which are 2 years away from no intel. Worry that RM8 is still vaporware!



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Posted 18 July 2020 - 07:36 AM

It may be optimistic to assume that there is a beta RM8 to test!

 

Don't worry about ARM macs which are 2 years away from no intel. Worry that RM8 is still vaporware!

 

But don't you just love those vaporware demo's, they can do anything with cgi these days :D


Keeping ones customers and their important views at a distance is never a good approach

 

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#106 Romer

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Posted 15 August 2020 - 08:53 PM

RM8 Edit Screen -- https://www.youtube....h?v=Ri-TSh0Fg0w

 

RM8 Reports, Charts, Publish, and Search -- https://www.youtube....h?v=k4FE-KmKF0Q.



#107 les.warden

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Posted 16 August 2020 - 05:51 PM

Just watched RM8 Reports, Charts, Publish, and Search and it doesn't look bad. I'm (Macbook Pro user here) actually looking forward to RM8.

I did notice on the Publish screen, Bruce showed a "Save To File" icon.....of a, I dunno, what is it, a Floppy Disk? 

Anyway, I'm not sure young people even know what a floppy is, so maybe think about a different icon. ad957.png  Just thoughts.



#108 Robert-Leigh:Pritchett

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Posted 29 August 2020 - 12:17 PM

Are all RootsMagic employees CGI or virtual? Maybe just two left? They obviously are not making any Mac sales. I am back to using it exclusively on a PC. Even there, it has "issues", just not as prevalent as on a Mac. 



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Posted 29 August 2020 - 03:06 PM

you are right--the mac forum has been dead for months. However I will never return to the awful windows world after escaping on retirement.

 

I have just finished testing all of the native mac programs with disappointing results:

 

FTM 2019 is OK except all text is very small and cannot be adjusted. Media is dumped into one folder and you have to fight the program to use subfolders although you can categorize each item. Websearch is so so. Hints are great.

 

Reunion has no pdf or print manual you can peruse and the person screen splits information into name, event and fact sections requiring clicks to reach. I am comfortable with their source and citation approach where essentially all information is in the source. This avoids the confusing overlapping fields common to other programs for sources and citations.

 

macfamilytree has a horrible pedigree or tree display and the person view requires much scrolling to see media event..facts etc. Text except in the tree view is good. No print manual and the few reviews are not very positive. Great familysearch integration.

 

heredis has tiny instead of very tiny text but support and knowledge base are just what you would expect from a french company. Both heredis and MFT bundle media into the database which makes for a large file but no broken link issues.

 

Rootsmagic 7 has a lot of windows quirks on a mac and looks awful but you can make the text quite readable and the person screen is outstanding. All data displayed at once with sources, media and notes a click away. If RM8 ever appears and you can still make the text readable I will jump at it. For now I plan to clean up my 350 person RM7 file and hope for RM8. Unfortunately Bruce demos RM8 on windows so I am unsure if the mac version will have readable text size.



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Posted 05 September 2020 - 07:18 PM

you are right--the mac forum has been dead for months. However I will never return to the awful windows world after escaping on retirement.

 

I have just finished testing all of the native mac programs with disappointing results:

 

 

I have similar feelings as you about the other genealogy apps on OSX. I do use MacFamilyTree on rare occasions, specifically because of their familysearch integration, but Rootsmagic remains my primary app.

 

I bought a tiny minipc, about the size of a VCR tape, to run windows10 with Rootsmagic and genmerge installed because there are times when the frustrations of the mac version of RM are too frustrating. As a developer, its easy for me to moan about the state of genealogy apps, and everytime I think "I could do this better" I look at the evidience of others who thought the same and didn't do it better. There seem to be some application categories (personal finance being another) where its just intrinsically difficult to create something good. Rootsmagic is still the best tool in my toolbox, though I do wish the company were more transparent.

</whining>

 

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#111 RWells1938

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Posted 09 September 2020 - 04:19 AM

Peter

 

Can you tell us which windows box you are using and do you use it headless? How do you have it setup?

 

I have RM7 and a few other windows apps that I use and this sounds like maybe a good try?

 

Roger



#112 Romer

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Posted 21 September 2020 - 12:34 PM



#113 pbooth99

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Posted 22 September 2020 - 02:59 PM

I'm not running headless. I'm using a tiny ACEPC AK1 Mini PC, with an Intel Celeron Apollo Lake J3455 CPU - they cost under $200 on Amazon. I have it connected to a 27" 4K Dell monitor that cost double what the PC did. I like it so much that I have bought two more mini-PCs - one is an Intel NUC acting as a Roon music streamer and the other is a Weidian fanless i7 with 6 ethernet ports that I use for networking experiments - it looks like a spiky black heatsink. I have found it much easier to have an actual windows device compared with using Virtual Box or Parallels.



#114 History Hunter

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Posted 26 November 2020 - 12:39 PM

Has anyone delved into the formats that RM7 writes to disk?

If one uses MSWord for post-processing, and ONLY MSWord, the RTF option puts out something quasi-useful. The other format options don't have the same features and really aren't that useful for transferring the report for post-processing. That said, the footnotes and bookmarks seem to be mislinked in the RTF version, so that the first link is non-functional and the rest are offset by one. eg.the superscript 2 links to footnote there etc.

 

I sure hope RootsMagic spends time making sure the internal links in the exported RM8 reports actually work and... NOT JUST IN MSWord!

 

I am really not pleased at needing to have a monthly subscription to MSWord just to polish something something like a narrative report. The subscription quickly adds up to more than the cost of RootsMagic itself.

 

OpenOffice, LibreOffice, NeOffice and even Scrivener are very good at importing and editing RTF formatted files, but it seems that it's not possible to do much with the reports from RM7. Repairing all the links in the exported RTF reports is far too big a task.



#115 Romer

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Posted 27 November 2020 - 09:56 PM

From an email from RM earlier today:

First, an update on our upcoming RootsMagic 8. In case you haven't been following its progress, RootsMagic 8 is the biggest update in our company's history. We've been working extremely long hours for several years to make RootsMagic easier-to-use, compatible with the latest technologies and operating systems, and poised to support the latest technologies and developments in the world of family history.
 
We have some really exciting news! Currently, we have hundreds of testers who have been working with version 8, kicking its tires, and giving us feedback. Things are looking very good and our plan is to release a 
"Community Preview" release of RootsMagic 8 by the end of the year. This means that soon, anyone will be able to take RootsMagic 8 for a spin!
 
Watch for an official announcement in the coming weeks.


#116 Romer

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Posted 27 November 2020 - 10:00 PM

RM8 Tasks:
 


#117 les.warden

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Posted 28 November 2020 - 01:03 PM

What is "Community Preview"? Patiently aging Mac users want to know.  :huh:



#118 J P

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Posted 28 November 2020 - 03:41 PM

What is "Community Preview"? Patiently aging Mac users want to know.  :huh:

I guess it’s another name for a beta that is almost ready for release and that everyone is then able to try if they so wish. But the final released version might have a few extra fixes applied.

 

Well, that is my interpretation of the phrase. No doubt others have a different view, but we will just have to be patient.



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Posted 08 January 2021 - 01:22 PM

A bit of a comment of the change-over from a virtual machine based Mac product to a cross-compiler based one...

 

What concerns me about calling RootsMagic 8 on the Mac "native" is that I understand from others that it doesn't actually make maximum use the Mac system libraries as one might expect a "native" program to do. That would likely be due to the use of a cross-compiler to support both Windows and Mac from the same code. Having had more than a bit of experience in software engineering and writing compilers, I can say that the performance and "look and feel" usually suffer to some extent over a program written specifically for the target system, and debugging is almost always a real issue. I suspect the latter is where most of the "teething" issues will lie as the product matures.

 

That's not to say that a small company can economically maintain two development streams. But; what seems to have been done is get rid of using the virtual machine to do system calls and doing those within "host" libraries that form part of the compiler output. The net result of such an approach would likely be that some "Mac-specific" features won't be present or will work slightly differently.

 

If this situation is in fact true, the Mac community really hasn't gained much by the change except for the an improved front-end paradigm. Time will tell...



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Posted 08 January 2021 - 03:14 PM

if a functional version is ever released, mac users will gain greatly. we would have real mac menus and functions instead of constant error messages and kludge responses. Once compiled the program should run well if properly programmed. Some risk here from a windows centric company. The current very rough beta was not functional in my hands and Bruce needs clear instructions on uninstalling it and all components. I kept find bits and pieces over several days.