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#81 Rooty

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Posted 01 November 2019 - 01:49 PM

Last RM8 teaser was 2 weeks ago. Problems in beta testing?



#82 History Hunter

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Posted 01 November 2019 - 02:09 PM

Rooty;

 

I understand the frustration. I am wondering what they are up to now, too.

Unfortunately, I think they call them "teasers" for a reason. :>)

We should have a pool on how much this "teaser" thing will be milked before something is actually released.

I'll take number "24" and I'm being optimistic...



#83 BradleyinDC

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Posted 01 November 2019 - 04:01 PM

Last RM8 teaser was 2 weeks ago. Problems in beta testing?

 

The longer they wait, the fewer potential users they'll have as people get frustrated and move on to other software.



#84 Rooty

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 09:01 AM

Family tree make just released an ancestry and family search API fix to FTM 2019 after 5 weeks without syncing. FTM 2017 users get to wait a few more weeks for their fix. This has been a long hiatus and you only get the download link after entering your information twice and going through ~20 screens of addons to not buy.

 

Bruce makes it easy to get updates, trial versions, manuals etc. Quite a contrast. Now if we only had a working native mac rootsmagic 8 to use!



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Posted 05 November 2019 - 10:23 AM

This RM8 issue has left me with a bad taste in my mouth. Even the tech support is being adversely affected. I called to ask a simple, straight-forward, question on whether the standard Mac RM7 uninstall procedure would remove all traces of RM7, Cross-over and also the extra program that RM7 downloads. I have just had my Mac refreshed to a factory install of Mojave, because I wanted to get rid of all the "hidden" libraries that get installed over time. All I got was a stream of ... we can't talk about RM8. I even went so far as to explicitly state that my question related solely to RM7 and still got push-back.

If.... and I do mean if... I ever install this vapourware called RM8, I'm still unlikely to forget how "evasive" the RM tech support has been this time around. I wonder what they are holding over their tech-support people to make them so paranoid.



#86 Rooty

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 11:11 AM

Tech support told my wife to update from Yosemite where RM7 worked to Sierra where it did not despite knowing of these issues. I also have lost high confidence in them. However, Apple since Job's death has also slipped. You need to wait for the "senior" advisors to get straight answers.

 

Complete application uninstall on a mac can be done as follows:  Best for experienced mac users since you have to inspect what is being selected for deletion. It may include your program receipt with master key or perhaps similarly named system components.

 

Appcleaner (free) from https://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/will find all or most of the files related to a program and move them to the trash. Scroll the window to be sure all items are checked. Some may not be.

 

Easyfind and Findanyfile (both free) can then search for any missed components using part of the name common to the files in the trash (ie program or developer name) and move them to the trash. Developer's "uninstall" instructions or app usually leave all sorts of junk behind and cannot be trusted.

 

Cleanmymac X will find leftovers and hung items left behind by deleted apps. They have a free demo version which can find leftovers for manual deletion. It is expensive and aggressive in what it wants to remove.



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Posted 05 November 2019 - 11:59 AM

Rooty;

 

I was a software engineer for most of my career, so I'm OK with delving into things. Thank you for the concise answer. I'll look into the tools you noted. Software that "pollutes" my system is a real irritation for me.

 

Sometimes, I wish that developers would do as they did years ago and have the install program create a manifest of the installed components. They should augment that with a list of files that are created "on the fly" (which shouldn't be that long if the product is well designed).

 

Oh well... At least I know what I'm up against in trying to use RM. I doubt that the other companies are a whole lot better, perhaps just a little less irritating.



#88 BradleyinDC

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 04:29 PM

Natives (native Mac users) are restless.

 

The bridge came out years ago (we paid extra for that), then the wrapper (where Mac users don't get full functionality much less a reliable program). A native Mac was promised (a long time ago) with RM 8. RM 8 was promised in 2019. The days pass to weeks, those have passed to months with increasingly fewer short weeks left in the year...if it's not coming this calendar year, please announce that sooner rather than later. Thanks.



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Posted 14 November 2019 - 12:45 AM

http://blog.rootsmagic.com/?p=3328



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Posted 30 December 2019 - 10:44 PM

RM8 Preview -- Mapping:

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=FavYlD73vQE



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Posted 31 December 2019 - 11:11 AM

Regarding an update to RM8 - whenever it is available... What will be the cost of the update? 

Since RM is offering a holiday special that includes the update it made me wonder if those already using RM7 will be charged and how much it will be?

 

Haven't seen that mentioned.

Does anyone know?



#92 Rooty

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 01:47 PM

Very clearly stated RM8 will cost more than RM7. Since this is a new version all users upgrading will pay.



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Posted 07 June 2020 - 03:37 PM

When I'm trying to enter data into one of the citation forms in RM7, I keep wishing I could also have a pre-existing example from another record sitting along side the input form. Has anyone seen a demo of RM8 and could tell me whether RM8 appears to allow this? The videos are nice, but sometimes it's difficult to be sure if a certain feature is part of the package.



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Posted 07 June 2020 - 04:27 PM

When I'm trying to enter data into one of the citation forms in RM7, I keep wishing I could also have a pre-existing example from another record sitting along side the input form. Has anyone seen a demo of RM8 and could tell me whether RM8 appears to allow this? The videos are nice, but sometimes it's difficult to be sure if a certain feature is part of the package.

Could you not open a duplicate copy of the same file or another file with the desired example record? Command ~ or mission control lets you flip between windows in the same app. Also, you could make each file fit the left or right side...top or bottom half of your screen. Magnet $1 does this surperbly well (apple itself is terrible at window management). RM8 remains 2 year old vaporware. Silly me--I bought my copy in 9/2019!



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Posted 07 June 2020 - 05:42 PM

When I'm trying to enter data into one of the citation forms in RM7, I keep wishing I could also have a pre-existing example from another record sitting along side the input form. 

 

I have a rather different way of doing my sources which I have posted about quite a bit to these forums. Namely, I have my own source templates rather than using RM's built-in source templates and my templates put all my source data into RM's Master Source. That makes me a source splitter.

 

The reasons I chose to become a source splitter in this fashion don't matter to this particular thread, but becoming a source splitter turned out to have a very nice benefit that I didn't expect. Namely, I now always start out a new source by copying an existing one that is very similar to the one I'm making. Then I put my new data into the copy and the copy becomes the new source. That means that the copy serves as precisely the kind of pre-existing example that you are talking about. Except that instead of having an example source side by side with a blank source, I enter my new data on top of my example. So I'm doing things like typing a new name on top of an old name that's in my example, like type a new date on top of the old date that's in my example, etc. It's a very convenient way to work.

 

Jerry



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Posted 07 June 2020 - 06:03 PM

Hi Jerry;

 

Thanks for the reply.

 

I've managed to find a way to organize my customized source templates to make the master portion invariant for a given type of "collection". That gives me, at least, some re-usablity. I normally take an existing citation from the same collection, memorize and paste it, then edit it. So I'm "sort-of" doing a similar thing to your approach. Still, there are times that I want to pluck certain phases from a somewhat different citation. This usually happens when I'm citing artefacts in a personal collection. Those tend to be a bit more variable, even within the "collection".



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Posted 07 June 2020 - 06:08 PM

Rooty;

 

I'm finding that the windows management of RM7/Crossover makes trying to handle things in a Mac way to be very frustrating and sometimes results in hanging the program.



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Posted 08 June 2020 - 12:13 AM

Rooty;

 

I'm finding that the windows management of RM7/Crossover makes trying to handle things in a Mac way to be very frustrating and sometimes results in hanging the program.

When that happens to me, I find using Escape returns focus to the top window and then closing that always allows me to continue. Fortunately, my keyboard has an Escape key, which I gather isn’t always the case with Mac keyboards.



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Posted 08 June 2020 - 06:12 AM

JP:  Macs do have an escape key either physical (best) or selectable if a touchbar model. Very important key for force quit etc.



#100 Jerry Bryan

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Posted 08 June 2020 - 06:52 AM

I'm not a Mac user, but I occasionally have a problem with RM on Windows that sounds similar to the problem you describe for the Mac. Namely, sometimes one of the modal sub-windows that RM opens is actually there but it has "popped under" the main RM window. Having "popped under", there is no way to know that it's there and it feels like RM is hung. I don't know if this is a bug in RM or a bug in Windows. Since RM8 will be using fewer modal windows than RM7, perhaps the fewer modal windows design will help with this problem for me on Windows and maybe it will help Mac users as well.

 

Jerry