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#1 wunderlong88

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 10:27 AM

I thought I'd show you a sample portion of one of my books from FTM.   Of course my book includes many descendant reports and such but I only included a few pages to show some of the things I would like to be able to do.
 
http://ge.tt/950yFXT2/v/0?c (edit: this link doesn't work - use this one - http://ge.tt/950yFXT2?c
 
I've been looking at both Rootsmagic and Legacy 8 and I don't doubt for a moment they both do more than enough when it comes to recording my family history.  But for me I need to produce a book that looks clean and nice.  In looking at both RM and Legacy8 (both in trial versions) I'm not satisfied that either will allow me to make reports like I want.  I know some features are disabled and I may find that I can do more than I anticipate with a full version.  I know both are cheap and some say just buy both but I am not in a position to spend money on a program I won't be using.  I want to be able to produce the book without much effort when I make additions to my family tree/history.
 
I looked at the family group sheet in both RM and Legacy 8.  Neither looked like they would produce the clean look of the one I have in my pdf. 
 
Also, I think the pedigree chart background and having pics of each person makes it nice to look at.
 
And I need to be able to make pages such as you see in this book: Chicago Fire, Castle Garden Immigration, etc. - these are not connected to any person.  In FTM you can make a text page and copy and paste pictures onto it.
 
I do have to say that I like the cleaner, less complicated feel of Rootsmagic but I feel like Legacy will be closer to what I need for book publishing.
 
I do appreciate your patience and kindness in talking to me about these things.  I know FTM will probably work for many years and maybe I just need to be patient and see what comes down the road.  I just don't want to put a lot more effort into something I know I will have to totally redo when I move to another program (the books) The family history portion at first glance seems to have imported fairly well.
 
Thank you again!
 
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#2 wunderlong88

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 10:45 AM

For some reason my upload didn't work - here is the new link.

 

http://ge.tt/950yFXT2?c


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#3 Jerry Bryan

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 11:18 AM

The closest you can come to a book like this with RM is the Publisher feature. I have never actually used RM's Publisher feature to produce a book, but I have experimented with it very extensively several times. And each time, I have chosen not to use it. In some ways, the Publisher feature is very nice and it will do much of what you want to do. But it won't do everything you want.

 

The fundamental failing for me with RM's Publisher feature has always turned out to be the inability to include any report or chapter that isn't already a standard RM report such as your Chicago  Fire chapter. For example, I might just want Chapter 7 to be a Word document and for Chapter 12 to be an Excel spreadsheet. And I haven't been able to coerce RM itself to produce such chapters natively - for example, by creating a dummy person and attaching the chapter to the dummy person as a note. Another problem for me is that Publisher does not produce a consolidated list of endnotes. Rather, there is a set of endnotes for each chapter. It does produce a consolidated name index and a consolidated place index, but not a consolidated set of endnotes.

 

Renee has mentioned that the reports feature of RM is undergoing a rewrite. But there obviously is no indication of when the rewrite will be completed nor of what features will be included in the rewrite.

 

If I had to  produce your particular book today with RM, I would probably do it with Microsoft Word. Some of the chapters would be written directly in Word itself, and some of the chapters would be produced as RTF files by RM and then I would copy them into Word.

 

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#4 wunderlong88

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 11:22 AM

I assume that "Publisher" (which is disabled in my trial version) is just a place where you can create a book of the various reports available in RM?

 

I may just have to wait and see what a future version of RM has to offer in the reports/books options.  In the little bit I've looked at RM I am happy with the family history data portions fo the program.  I haven't looked at it deeply but it looks promising.


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Posted 12 December 2015 - 11:34 AM

 

I thought I'd show you a sample portion of one of my books from FTM.

 

 

Nice book.


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#6 wunderlong88

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 11:36 AM

Thank you! 


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#7 Jerry Bryan

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 11:51 AM

I assume that "Publisher" (which is disabled in my trial version) is just a place where you can create a book of the various reports available in RM?

 

 

That's basically it.

 

Here is what I think is a complete list of the objects that Publisher supports: Cover page, Title page, Copyright page, Dedication, Acknowledgement, Preface, Table of Contents, and Reports (Ahnentafel, blank pages, Box Charts, Descendant list, Family Group Sheet, Individual Summary, Kinship Report, Narrative reports - several kinds, both ancestor and descendant, Relationship chart, Research notes, scrapbook (this is where you can produce images), and text page).

 

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#8 wunderlong88

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Posted 12 December 2015 - 12:00 PM

Wonder how this would work?

 

1. Purchase RM, import my gedcom and use it for my research.

 

2. When I need a current pdf of my book, export the RM gedcom import to FTM.

 

3. Publish book.

 

4. Keep using RM and repeat when necessary.

 

I wonder how well FTM would receive the gedcom data?  I wonder if I would have a lot of errors to fix each time I did this (in which case it is a bad idea) or if it would be fine as is?  I haven't really looked too carefully at how well RM received my gedcom.  Didn't want to spend too much time on that yet.  I did notice it doesn't seem to know which photo is the photo I want displayed for each individual. I fixed one but wondered why it lost this info.  It looks like it received my sources and their media files fine (which I was really concerned about) and that the media is their for each person (just not displaying the one as mentioned).  I haven't tried to import back to FTM out of RM to see how that works.

 

This might be a fix though, as long as FTM runs on my system or until RM publishing capabilities meet my needs.

 

Of course this makes me wonder why change at all - except that I would like to sync with Family Search trees online - I thought RM did that?


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Posted 13 December 2015 - 08:40 AM

MY experience with the old copies of FTM 2006 is my last one, was not good with doing a gedcom from then Family Origins.  Yes RM is directly connected with Family Search.

 

Has ancestry.com said how long they will allow you to transfer info from FTM to ancestry???  That may solve a problem for now but in the future and how far in the future.....????


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#10 wunderlong88

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Posted 13 December 2015 - 08:43 AM

I don't care that much if my tree syncs with Ancestry.  I'm not paying for Ancestry and keep it private.  I just had it on their for relatives.

 

I do care about FTM's book publishing capabilities which I'm sure the program will work for many years but I know ultimately I need to find another solution.


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