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#1 Anneli111

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 06:58 AM

Hi.
This is another one regarding fact sentences and narrative report, which I raised in Rootsmagic support as a reported bug, and was recommended by them to raise it in both Rootsmagic forum and in the Rootsmagic user mailing list in rootsweb, to see if I could find someone to answer regarding the below. So here it goes...
When I create a shared fact, I have the following problem with the Narrative reports.

1. Select LIST, FACT TYPE LIST in main window

2. Select RESIDENCE fact, and create a ROLE e.g. "household"

4. SELECT the person and for the RESIDENCE fact share it with two other persons as role "household".

5. Open the person in Edit Person screen. Select the shared fact, and in the bottom blue right corner of window for Sentence (where you can customize the sentence). Create a customized sentence:
< [Date]> [person] was head of the household < [PlaceDetails]>< [Place]>. Other persons in the same household were [OtherPersons].
For the fact is will show "1802 Nils Waldemar was head of the household at Dummy in Stockholm . Other persons in the same household were Anders Nilsson and Brita Johansson."
6. In narrative report it will print the same. So far so good.
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Now to my problem
7. Select one of the other persons that share the event.
8. Open the person in Edit Person screen. Select the shared fact, and in the bottom blue right corner of window for Sentence (where you can customize the sentence). Create a customized sentence:
< [Date]> [ThisPerson] was living< [PlaceDetails]>< [Place]> were [person] was head of the household. Other persons in the same household were [OtherPersons].
For the fact is will show "1802 Anders Nilsson was living at Dummy in Stockholm were Nils Waldemar was head of the household . Other persons in the same household were ."
Other persons are not printed.

6. Print a narrative report it prints the same. Other persons are not shown.

7. In Rootsmagic help is describes the field [OtherPersons] - 1 or more person - All witnesses to the event, regardless of role. In witness fact sentences, this excludes the main witness. I interpret this as you should be able to use the field for a witness, however it will not print main witness for these.

Is this a bug or have I misunderstood ?

/ Regards Anneli
The Sw version I have is 5.0.3.0 (27 Mar 2012).

#2 Laura

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 02:46 PM

[OtherPersons] and other switches which access roles of the Sharee can only be used for the Principal's sentence not the Sharee's sentence.

If you want the names of the other persons in that household to print for the Sharee sentence, you will have to customize the Sharee sentence and add the other names yourself.

#3 Anneli111

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 01:27 AM

HI Laura.

Thank you for your reply to clarify this.
I beleive Help for Rootsmagic regarding the fact sentences in this case are incorrect.
This would mean it is only usable for the primary person.

For the fact it is stated that it can be used for witnesses, see below from Help included in Rootsmagic.
Section : Sentence Template Language , Fact Sentence Fields

Field: Field [OtherPersons]
Field type: 1 or more person
Decription: All witnesses to the event, regardless of role. In witness fact sentences, this excludes the main witness.

The way it is written does not state this, it states that it can be used if I read the above correctly. Do you agree?
In this case I might raise a ticket to correct the Help manual for this.

Regards / Anneli

#4 TomH

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Posted 18 May 2012 - 06:29 AM

I agree with Anneli that Help describes the way it is intended to work and that Laura describes the way it does work. The way it does work falls short of the way it was intended to work and is therefore a deficiency, if not a bug. I think we would all agree that users would prefer that [OtherPersons] should work the way Help describes.

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#5 Renee Zamora

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 09:06 AM

Confirming issue is noted in our tracking system for resolution.
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