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#1 Jim Linder

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 08:20 PM

I am writing a book about my family's history and genealogy. Plan to self-publish it on Lulu.com. I can do 100 pages there with a hardback binding for about $16. I am doing my dad's side first (8 generations) before doing my mom's side sometime next year (40+ generations). Have all the data in Rootsmagic (of course). Been using it for years. First rough draft was done about a year ago.

Here is what I am planning. The book will have several sections.

I start with a prose narrative that starts with a few pages of european history, to set the stage of where they were from. Then it talks about each family line, where they were from, about that place, and the first ancestor in each line. Plan is to talk about conditions where they were from, history of places they went, and how the family lines tie together. Including all those wonderful family stories along the way. I envision this to be the part read to my grand children, and as a short 20 page summary of the family history.

Then I want to add a genealogical narrative containing all the genealogical dates and facts. More on this later.

Then a list of known cousins, or living relatives, a name index, and a place index.

Now I have some questions about doing the genealogical narrative. The ones I can find in Rootsmagic seem to be Ancestors with or without children, or descendants.

But I want both. I want this to be valuable to not just me immediate family, but also any distant cousins as well. (already found about 5 in the last 18 months alone)

Here is what I did, but it is a LOT of work, and I am hoping someone can tell me of an easier way. I have data on my fathers paternal line, my great-grandmother's line, my grandmother's line, and my grandmother's maternal lines. Basically 5 major family lines.

I started with my father's paternal line, as far back as I have. Where one of the other 4 major family lines join my paternal line, there is a narrative on that person, and then it says something like "For more information on the ancestors of Marie Ann Sohl see the Sohl Family Tree."
So I have 5 subsections, one for each major family line.
For each of these subsections, I start with the earliest known ancestor, and do a descendent narrative all the way down, removing everything below the person that joins my paternal line. I adjust the "Generation" titles on 4 of the lines to match the longest line.
Then I meticulously combine the name and place indexes. (Haven't adjusted the page numbers, but that will have to be done at some point)

The part that is now giving me the shakes, is the End Notes. I would like to combine them, but cannot foresee adjusting all the references. So I think I will have to settle for 5 different sets of End Notes.

Any ideas to make this easier? A way to show all ancestors and all descendants?

Thanks
Jim Linder

#2 Nettie

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 10:47 PM

I am writing a book about my family's history and genealogy. Plan to self-publish it on Lulu.com. I can do 100 pages there with a hardback binding for about $16. I am doing my dad's side first (8 generations) before doing my mom's side sometime next year (40+ generations). Have all the data in Rootsmagic (of course). Been using it for years. First rough draft was done about a year ago.

Here is what I am planning. The book will have several sections.

I start with a prose narrative that starts with a few pages of european history, to set the stage of where they were from. Then it talks about each family line, where they were from, about that place, and the first ancestor in each line. Plan is to talk about conditions where they were from, history of places they went, and how the family lines tie together. Including all those wonderful family stories along the way. I envision this to be the part read to my grand children, and as a short 20 page summary of the family history.

Then I want to add a genealogical narrative containing all the genealogical dates and facts. More on this later.

Then a list of known cousins, or living relatives, a name index, and a place index.

Now I have some questions about doing the genealogical narrative. The ones I can find in Rootsmagic seem to be Ancestors with or without children, or descendants.

But I want both. I want this to be valuable to not just me immediate family, but also any distant cousins as well. (already found about 5 in the last 18 months alone)

Here is what I did, but it is a LOT of work, and I am hoping someone can tell me of an easier way. I have data on my fathers paternal line, my great-grandmother's line, my grandmother's line, and my grandmother's maternal lines. Basically 5 major family lines.

I started with my father's paternal line, as far back as I have. Where one of the other 4 major family lines join my paternal line, there is a narrative on that person, and then it says something like "For more information on the ancestors of Marie Ann Sohl see the Sohl Family Tree."
So I have 5 subsections, one for each major family line.
For each of these subsections, I start with the earliest known ancestor, and do a descendent narrative all the way down, removing everything below the person that joins my paternal line. I adjust the "Generation" titles on 4 of the lines to match the longest line.
Then I meticulously combine the name and place indexes. (Haven't adjusted the page numbers, but that will have to be done at some point)

The part that is now giving me the shakes, is the End Notes. I would like to combine them, but cannot foresee adjusting all the references. So I think I will have to settle for 5 different sets of End Notes.

Any ideas to make this easier? A way to show all ancestors and all descendants?

Thanks
Jim Linder

5 subsections such as chapters? Small sections but one book?

Transferring all of this to a word processing format or done in RM4? I just published a book with 15 chapters in MSWord 2003, one index and one set of footnotes. There is a special process developed by word.mvps.org [Word volunteer specialists, good helps better than the manual] on how to combine chapters with each chapter a separate file but combined into one large book with a Table of Contents, index and endnotes. :)
This is time consuming took me 3.5 yrs to edit and print 428 pages. Had an editing team of three others also.
No not Master Document in Word.

Genealogy:
"I work on genealogy only on days that end in "Y"." [Grin!!!]
from www.GenealogyDaily.com.
"Documentation....The hardest part of genealogy"
"Genealogy is like Hide & Seek: They Hide & I Seek!"
" Genealogists: People helping people.....that's what it's all about!"
from http://www.rootsweb....nry/gentags.htm
Using FO and RM since FO2.0 


#3 Mackay

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 07:48 AM

Interesting. I'm starting to write my family history and publish it as a book as well. Like you, I want to include narrative intros as well as the nuts-and-bolts genealogical information,
although mine won't be nearly as complicated as yours.

Before I get too far into this, I'd be interested in others' experiences.

Here's what I'm thinking:

1) Although it would be much easier to go from the known to the unknown (starting with me and working back through ancestor generations), I think using the descendant approach would give my work wider appeal, even within my own family.

2) I'd like to include maps, photos and weblinks.

3) I need to have a bibliography.

Any suggestions from others who have attempted this? Of this, what can I do and not do through RM? For those things I can't do through RM -- in integrating the final report -- what programs would you suggest? (I'm on a Mac and use IWorks.)

Thanks!

#4 Nettie

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:49 AM

Have done several small books with just the Narrative Report per family starting with the earliest ancestor and all descendants using the Modified Register setting up the options in RM before saving to a .rtf format. Most of these books were done with FO and RM3.

Currently working on my Dad's Bio which is the main focus with Chapters on each of his 6 direct lines.
Each Chapter of Direct Line starting with the earliest ancestor forward.
Using the Modified Register.
saving as a .rtf file with indexes, endnotes, Bibl...
In MSWord or other software adding time line of history items from Personal Historian, my own created maps [using both Family Atlas & Delmore US Street Maps] and other photos/items not in RM

Will be a book format with
  • Cover Page
  • Copyright page
  • T of Contents
  • 7 chapters
  • Endnotes one set
  • Bibliography
  • Place Index
  • Full Index

using word.mvps.org as my resource [which has clues for Macs also]
Yes, do plan to use lulu.com, I like the idea of publishing a pdf and they only send out a pdf for a good price. :)

Genealogy:
"I work on genealogy only on days that end in "Y"." [Grin!!!]
from www.GenealogyDaily.com.
"Documentation....The hardest part of genealogy"
"Genealogy is like Hide & Seek: They Hide & I Seek!"
" Genealogists: People helping people.....that's what it's all about!"
from http://www.rootsweb....nry/gentags.htm
Using FO and RM since FO2.0 


#5 Jim Linder

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 10:48 PM

Guess I forgot to subscribe to this thread, so I missed the replies.

Thanks Nettie for the Word MVPs site. It looks like it might solve some of the nastier problems I had with my first book. Mostly, page numbering. I swear Word was designed to drive people crazy. I think I will attempt to make each different family tree a chapter or sub-chapter in my family tree chapter. Then I can index the end-notes separately and just combine the name and place indexes. So mine will look more like:
  • Cover Page
  • Copyright page
  • T of Contents
  • Introduction
  • Family history from earliest ancestor to present
  • Family Trees & genealogy information
  • 5 sub-chapters
  • Perhaps a message to future researchers
  • Endnotes - 5 subsets
  • Name Index
  • Place Index

I am currently at 261 pages, and I haven't added all the pictures and maps yet. When you say end-notes, one set do you mean sources from your family trees? If so, how are you planning to merge the end notes from the 7 family trees? I am not relishing the thought of merging the indexes on mine. Just re-doing the page numbers will take a long time. I plan to actually generate a book and buy some copies for my immediate family.

One last question for folks out there. Anyone have an easy process for creating maps that are black and white line drawings? I have plenty of maps I want to include, but many are in color and with too much detail. I want to keep them simple and easy to read.

Thanks
Jim

#6 Nettie

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:29 AM

To create a T of C or Index from multi documents. go to http://pubs.logicale...icle.asp?ID=148

If you use Evernote, can be easily copied into the software or print it out. Will not save as a file. Yes you can do that from Evernote.

Worked for my book. :) Hope it works for you.

there is a forum to ask ?'s also. http://www.techtalkz...-documents.html

Good Luck.

Genealogy:
"I work on genealogy only on days that end in "Y"." [Grin!!!]
from www.GenealogyDaily.com.
"Documentation....The hardest part of genealogy"
"Genealogy is like Hide & Seek: They Hide & I Seek!"
" Genealogists: People helping people.....that's what it's all about!"
from http://www.rootsweb....nry/gentags.htm
Using FO and RM since FO2.0 


#7 Jim Linder

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 11:51 AM

To create a T of C or Index from multi documents. go to http://pubs.logicale...icle.asp?ID=148

If you use Evernote, can be easily copied into the software or print it out. Will not save as a file. Yes you can do that from Evernote.

Worked for my book. :) Hope it works for you.

there is a forum to ask ?'s also. http://www.techtalkz...-documents.html

Good Luck.



Thanks that might be helpful. My problem is not so much with the T of C, because I can copy the individual reports into a Word document and with a little formatting on the headers, the T of C will correct itself. Its the indexes I am not looking forward to.
With 5 family trees, each will have a name index and a place index. First I will need to correct the page references because once I copy the trees into the main document, the page numbers will be all different. Then I need to combine them into one index. Not THAT much work, but some.

I am struggling now with page formats. When I run the reports, they are in letter size. But of course the book is 6x9. So when I copy, the indexes and some of the other formatting are quite messed up. Even my T of C that I created before applying the smaller paper size keeps wanting to stretch off the page when I update it. I am hoping a couple days on the sites you provided will give me a better understanding of Word formatting.

Lastly, on my last book, I wanted no page numbering on the first few pages, and a left/right or odd/even type of header/footer. Had to mess around with sections or something to get the page numbering to change mid-book. Your sites should help with that too.

Thanks
Jim

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 12:10 PM

My history book has Front Matter with italics numbers and then Chapter one started with the 13th page. I also use Producing Quality Family History by Patricia Law Hatcher, CG as my guide for 428 pages 8 1/ 2 X 11. Found it on Amazon.com. She does a good job in laying out everything for producing a genealogy book. :) Because this was a Church History book, I had to look at copyright issues also. So used Sharon Carmack's book on copyright's. This book saved me on many different kind of issues. :)

quoting from page 80 which is Common page sizes.

"6"x9". This is probably the most popular for bound books and produced by printing houses. It is used for thick books, thin books, hard-bound books, and perfect-bound books. If your family history includes photographs, you can often get two photographs on a pages without crowding or making them too small."

Personally have never used that size for family history as they were all printed on my printer and then photocopied. Did not want the mess of changing sizes. Depends on your final copy as to what size.

Your issues with adding larger pages to your new size, I am assuming you created a basic template for your book. Look at those web pages on how to do that. I learn something new every day. :) By looking for the files this am, I found an article on how to have a footnote in Word give you a version number and date and prints in the footnote. One thing I have been looking for for years. You never know what you will find.

Genealogy:
"I work on genealogy only on days that end in "Y"." [Grin!!!]
from www.GenealogyDaily.com.
"Documentation....The hardest part of genealogy"
"Genealogy is like Hide & Seek: They Hide & I Seek!"
" Genealogists: People helping people.....that's what it's all about!"
from http://www.rootsweb....nry/gentags.htm
Using FO and RM since FO2.0 


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Posted 13 November 2011 - 02:33 PM

Jim, I published my family history a LONG time ago (1995) and created a separate chapter for each surname, and started with the earliest known ancestor and then listed descendants. My issues were exactly the same as yours. Although I've now acquired a lot more information, eventually I do another book.

I just looked at the book and all sources were listed immediately following each person's entry. At the time, I used PAF (one of the few programs available then) and first created each chapter using a program called Gen-book. I then created the final version using WordPerfect (remember that?) I manually tweaked the book in the word processor in order to produce indices, TOC, etc. It was a lot of work.

You mention converting color maps to B & W, that is a fairly easy thing to do with Photoshop or Photoshop Elements. It's not difficult to create halftone images if that would be useful to your printing process.

In compiling the book, I also found other resources on publishing family histories. Those, however, are now very dated but there are many good sources for publishing your book on the Internet. Best of luck!